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Post by cayrus on Jul 31, 2012 16:36:10 GMT -5
I think that depends on if we think kime trusts you or has the other guard also on him. And if we do hit and kill him, you're immediately implicated if he told others you were the guard.
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Post by psolms on Jul 31, 2012 16:39:09 GMT -5
no, i told kime im putting a guard order on him, he did not request it.
i also told him that i was going away for the night in a few hours and that it could not be changed later.
i think he is content to let me guard him tonight.
i think this is how this night is going to go down:
kime assumes nothing, probably has 2 guards revealed to him, lets them both guard him tonight as there is no one else who he can trust enough to reveal a seer to. possibly for good measure, he's going to try to figure out a guard secret and throw it down as well.
he has each seer target 1 of the claimed guards, if there are multiple. if not, he seers one and seer-power's the other. he may not do this though, as the guard would in theory be publicly revealed as a guard.
either way, i expect im getting seered tonight.
this means that either:
a) kime is trusting (and foolish) enough to give out other claimed specials to claimed guards and will rely on my guard only tonight and we can kill him for his foolishness
or (the far more likely case)
b) kime stacks guards on the only open target, does a proper clearing of his ranks before giving up his seers to the guards. the only way we can kill him is if the stacked kills can break guards.
im expecting b, and so in the event that stacked kills can kill him, we should drop all 3 on him before his network can actually grow legs. otherwise, we kill others as planned and probably lose this game to the ever growing network.
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Post by psolms on Jul 31, 2012 16:40:36 GMT -5
i dont see a single circumstance where i (and the other, real guard) are not getting seered tonight. even if he told the whole thread that i was his guard and we still killed him, my identity will be known from a seer regardless.
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Post by psolms on Jul 31, 2012 16:47:11 GMT -5
every minute that kime does not ask me to change my orders further solidifies my theory. unless we can get really lucky and off his seer today, i expect to be outed tomorrow.
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Post by spool32 on Jul 31, 2012 16:47:57 GMT -5
Won't that relegate us to triple-killing one person every night, though?
Unless we can locate the 'role' guards and kill them, we're not going to be able to overcome multiple seers every night.
Also, remember that only one secret guard per night can be active. The rest are nullified.
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Post by spool32 on Jul 31, 2012 16:50:38 GMT -5
If jdark was village (and not a neutral), then the role seer is dead. Hopefully there's only one because otherwise this game would be very village tilted... us with only three kills and no ability to use any secrets, them with a pile of roles and 4 one-shots per day for over a week.
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Post by psolms on Jul 31, 2012 16:54:02 GMT -5
i believe kime said that jdark was the vig, not the seer.
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Post by psolms on Jul 31, 2012 16:54:25 GMT -5
and its highly unlikely that there is a third faction in this game.
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Post by spool32 on Jul 31, 2012 17:00:51 GMT -5
i believe kime said that jdark was the vig, not the seer. I missed that... I just thought he said there was a reason the vig didn't act last night. I assumed he was inactive or something. Jdarksun—Jonah— Had some Insight—Producer’s Cut I took that to mean he was a seer. Assumptions though...
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Post by shalmelo on Jul 31, 2012 17:01:26 GMT -5
every minute that kime does not ask me to change my orders further solidifies my theory. unless we can get really lucky and off his seer today, i expect to be outed tomorrow. Easy, tiger. Kime is notoriously flaky as a network head. Don't assume anything just yet.
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Post by spool32 on Jul 31, 2012 17:02:31 GMT -5
yes psolms. Reach back to day one, you have nerves of steel!
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Post by psolms on Jul 31, 2012 17:02:52 GMT -5
the problem is that i cant check it later.. im at my RPG night until after vote close for sure
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Post by cayrus on Jul 31, 2012 17:11:40 GMT -5
I think kime is lying. He gains nothing by telling us the vig is dead unless he's protecting the vig or trying to cover up the fact the seer is dead.
I just don't see how jdark was the vig. Having insight really seems like a description of a seer to me. I think if he was the vig then his kill would have went off since it seems like actions happen simultaneously, i.e. the Dagon's secret being revealed at the same time we killed him.
I really think the seer is dead and that either there is (1) no traditional vig or (2)he didn't submit orders or (3) hit someone that was guarded (not posted in narration).
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Post by megafrost on Jul 31, 2012 17:14:07 GMT -5
or (4) he was voted out.
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Post by cayrus on Jul 31, 2012 17:16:36 GMT -5
Langly's name wasn't a different color nor did it have a description. I think he have to assume kime is lying.
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