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Post by megafrost on Jul 31, 2012 12:32:21 GMT -5
Hmm I don't know actually. I've already revealed the secret I hold to him. Why would I then come around several hours later and say that I had already targeted someone?
EDIT: I still think simply withdrawing the order is the best idea, but I won't do that until closer to the end of the day.
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Post by spool32 on Jul 31, 2012 12:51:41 GMT -5
I didn't think we were sure whether jdark was a village special, or a neutral (masoned neutral?). I still believe there are more than two factions in the game, and I think Kime knows some and wants to keep it quiet, which is why he said out loud there are regular specials - to turn questions aside.
Neverborn: That dude makes me itch something awful but I agree we let him continue to cause trouble.
I like the Egos vote suggestion. Also OK with Romanqwerty For my third, I have no feelings, but M.D. would be fine.
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Post by theroadvirus on Jul 31, 2012 13:00:03 GMT -5
Standing question: kime asks us to use a power on a fellow mafia. What's the plan. Lose one of us to buy another into the network?
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Post by megafrost on Jul 31, 2012 13:02:17 GMT -5
Scenario 1: We use the power. Fellow mafia dies or is outed. Scenario 2: We don't use the power. Both the target and the secret-holder are now suspicious and will probably be assumed to be mafia.
I think the better scenario is to go ahead and use the power.
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Post by theroadvirus on Jul 31, 2012 13:02:35 GMT -5
What in the HELL is neverborn doing? Not that it is unhelpful to us, but what the Christ?
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Post by phyphor on Jul 31, 2012 13:06:22 GMT -5
Targets for tonight! Let's discuss this. Here are my thoughts. Avoid: stever777, KetBra, TrueNeverborn, Retaba. They have some suspicion on them. Anialos, Mill, Infidel. Their secrets are voided. Kime. No way network head goes without a guard. MrBlarney. We've offed a spreadsheeter already. MrBlarney is much less active than Jdark and I have some concern that if we kill him and not Phyphor, some suspicion will be cast on Phyphor. People who might be good to target: Romanqwerty and smoove operator seem to be continuing to vote for TrueNeverborn. If we offed one or both of them, that might bring more attention to TrueNeverborn. Warban argued to vote out Infidel. Of the above three, we should probably choose only one to kill. All three would make it too obvious what we're doing. Greenbarons seems to be right in the middle of activity. Posting a bit, just often enough to still be visible. Any thoughts? That would only be true if the box was available. It's not in this game, so there's no reason for a spreadsheeter-killing mafia to target me
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Post by megafrost on Jul 31, 2012 13:08:44 GMT -5
Is that a suggestion to kill MrBlarney then?
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Post by spool32 on Jul 31, 2012 13:09:27 GMT -5
What in the HELL is neverborn doing? Not that it is unhelpful to us, but what the Christ? Village idiot? His vote pattern: Joke vote - long name. Super bandwagon driving. Disparage network head known for winning games like whoa. Day 2 SELF VOTE (there is no 'cid', that's his own role name) Back to the long name joke vote!
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Post by megafrost on Jul 31, 2012 13:15:42 GMT -5
There's a missing vote in your pattern where he voted for psolms before arguing with kime because he saw a discrepancy between two of psolms' posts.
I did think village idiot was a possibility though. But I had initially thought Retaba would be that because he intentionally tied the vote twice and drew attention to his doing it.
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Post by phyphor on Jul 31, 2012 13:21:27 GMT -5
Is that a suggestion to kill MrBlarney then? I'm just saying there's no particular reason to keep him alive
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Post by spool32 on Jul 31, 2012 13:24:18 GMT -5
In answer to the standing question, let's cross that bridge when we come to it.
A lot of people won't send their secrets to kime today, just because laziness or whatever. Plenty of people didn't even vote yesterday.
Also, I think Obifett could be in our list. The Secret question + quick answer from Kime felt staged, and I think Obi and Kime are working together.
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Post by spool32 on Jul 31, 2012 13:25:05 GMT -5
In fact, I really see no reason not to nail him tonight.
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Post by megafrost on Jul 31, 2012 13:27:31 GMT -5
I agree with this reasoning. I think unless we find a really good reason to vote for someone else, we should definitely kill Obifett and Egos tonight. And as for the third, I'm highly in favor of vagrant_winds or roman qwerty.
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Post by rysk on Jul 31, 2012 13:48:04 GMT -5
Can I suggest a wildly unprecedented plan of action?
Can we put TWO kills on kime under the assumption that the guard would only block a single kill.
Reasoning:
The secrets give a public, completely confirmed seering of a player that can create a network head out of any role, any player assuming they come up NOT mafia. This. Is. So. Powerful. they could potentially create a new one every day. Also, we have 3 kills, which is unusual. I think that this is a high risk, EXTREMELY high reward move that has some logic behind it based on the game design. Ahava is a seasoned Phallateer and I don't believe she would make a game lacking that much balance.
Worst case, we lose two kills tonight and gain some valuable information.
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Post by rysk on Jul 31, 2012 13:50:23 GMT -5
With that said, and I feel bad for suggesting it, I think we need to eliminate some potential assets. I feel it is likely that psolms will be seer'd tonight (if not the other guard that has contacted kime by this point inevitably). I also think that if we kill kime, we will need to kill Infidel either tonight or the day after. He might be able to orchestrate a much more secure network of information if publicly seer'd; that's pretty much a worst case scenario.
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